I weighed everything they said, but found myself looking more and more at the .17 Remington. it is also better in the wind then the hornet. I’m betting the .17 Hornet will hang in there, however, because it has a ready-made home as any gun chambered for the .22 Hornet can also be chambered for the .17. But, for the hunter who wants a rifle that can reach out for the occasional 150-yard shot, without the report of the smaller centerfires — like the .17 Hornet and .17 Remington — the .17-caliber rimfires have an appeal. by Philip Massaro - Mag. the 17 rem is more then 300 fps over the hornet. Fireball so hard? Interestingly, the impact energy also favours the 17 cal The 17 cal delivers 290 FPE compared to the 22 Hornets - 196 FPE 17 REM vs 22 hornet Rifle. Mag.• .30-06 Springfield vs. .270 Winchester• 6.5 Creedmoor vs. 7mm-08 Remington• 8x57 Mauser vs. .318 Westley Richards• .358 Winchester vs. .350 Remington Magnum• .22-250 Remington vs. .220 Swift• .270 Winchester vs. .270 WSM• .26 Nosler vs. 6.5-300 Weatherby Magnum• .458 Win. This short cartridge was initially chambered in Remington’s XP-100 bolt-action single-shot handgun. The taper of the case is different and the shoulder is 25 degrees necked down to the .17 bullet. 17-223 IS NOT a 17 Remington! .17 Hornet This .17-caliber version of P.O. .17 Rem (top) v .22-250 (bottom) Q: I own a Remington Model 700 in .17 Remington that has been rebarreled with a Maddco barrel 600mm long and shoots groups averaging .25". as the 22 Hornet – uses the existing action Trajectory comparable to a traditional 55 gr 223 Rem… It was designed exclusively as a varmint round, though it is suitable for smaller predators.There are those such as P.O. .17 Remington or .17 Hornet. It was designed exclusively as a varmint round, though it is suitable for smaller predators.There are those such as P.O. factory rounds suck! It’s a bonified 350-yard coyote cartridge that’s currently chambered for Savage’s Model 25 bolt action . Remington brass is lousy. 17 REM vs 22 hornet. Werfen wir einen Blick auf die .17 Remington und die .17 Hornet und vergleichen und vergleichen wir ihre Eigenschaften. The relatively new .17 Hornet filled the void perfectly for me. But, in a good rifle, the .17 Remington can be a very accurate cartridge, and has very little recoil, though the report is on the loud side for the size of the projectile. Mag.• .404 Jeffery vs. .416 Rigby• .243 Winchester vs. 6mm Creedmoor• .300 PRC vs. .300 Win. That said, owning both and shooting both is sort of like owning and shooting a 243 and a 6 mm !! Get the American Hunter Insider newsletter for at-a-glance access to industry news, gear, gun reviews, videos and more—delivered directly to your Inbox. My handloads in the .17 Hornet get around 3800, but with the 20-grain V-Max, which holds on to velocity better than the 17-grain bullets in the HMR. Werfen wir einen Blick auf die .17 Remington und die .17 Hornet und vergleichen und vergleichen wir ihre Eigenschaften. You will find the smallest commercial cartridges available are the .17-inch bores, and while they’ve been around exactly as long as I have, the shooting public seems to have an on-again-off-again relationship with the .17s. Last fall, my dad brought his new Savage M25 to Afognak, and after taking a few foxes with it, I knew I had to have one. The Hornet ammo—available from Hornady and Federal—runs between $0.70 and $0.90 per round, while the .17 Remington ammo—available from Remington and Nosler—costs about $1.70 per round. Sharing the rimmed design of the parent case, the .17 Hornet feeds nicely in a bolt-action repeating rifle—I spent some time with a Savage Model 25 Walking Varminter which shot very well—and will handle both varmints and predators to the same 300 to 350 yards that the .17 Remington will. Although it shares the name and pays homage to it, the .17 Hornet is a very different thing from the .22 Hornet. I do believe the 17 hornet will not be as hard on barrels as the 204! I took some time yesterday and called Remington. Die .17 Remington basiert auf der .223 Remington oder der .222 Remington Magnum, je nachdem, welchen Bericht Sie lesen, aber wenn ich mir das Design ansehe, macht die .222 Remington Magnum für mich mehr Sinn. This was with 9.3 gr of Lil'Gun with 20 gr VMax and Hornady brass. As far as I know, Remington is the only major arms manufacturer currently producing .17 Remington and .17 Fireball rifles. Hornady has new brass for .17 Hornet. I have a .17 HMR and I love it. I liked it so much that I bought a 700 VS and had it rebarreled to a .17 Rem with an HS-Precision barrel. I myself have never fired a 17 Rem.. For smaller sized game, the little 17 Hornet is one of the most fun little guns I own. Less fouling, barrel wear, powder and pressure compared to the 17 Rem. That said, I own and shoot two .17 Fireballs...Remington 700 and Encore. Either gun will just be a range toy or rare varminting. 17-223 IS NOT a 17 Remington! I am considering either the .17 Remington or a .17 Hornet. Hunting Ammunition : Best Bullet For Your Game Without Destroying It. DRT your taking something home. vs. .458 Lott• 7mm Rem. 17 HMR VS 17 HORNET I like the 17 Hornet it does something crazy like 3600 fps Any input on ether the 17 HMR or the 17 HORNET Thanks….. If it were me I would make a straight 17 Remington or a 17-204 which is about the same as the 17 Rem for the most part. The .17 Remington is an excellent varmint round, and the with a drop of just 3.17" at 250 yards this round is great for just that. Remington has 2 loads for the 17 Rem. Thanks Wow Your not Hi on the 223 or the 17s, I'm a 17/Hornet shooter from 1960 my first was built on my 1937-M-70 by P.O.Ackley in PA. ... #2387923 - 01/07/13 04:24 PM Re: 17 Hornet vs 17 Fireball [Re: 1happyshooter] Mike B Die Hard Member III Registered: 01/31/02 Posts: 2715 Loc: central PA Wow Your not Hi on the 223 or the 17s, I'm a 17/Hornet shooter from 1960 my first was built on my 1937-M-70 by P.O.Ackley in PA. I got a friend that is a coyote hunting machine and he swears by the 204. Mag. The small bore fouls easily, and you can see accuracy degrade in as little as ten shots in certain rifles, but they are a death ray on varmints and predators. Kudos to Hornady for recognizing the potential of the design, and for bringing it to the masses. , than differences.. The following ammunition cartridge ballistics information and chart can be used to approximately compare .17 HMR Hornady Magnum Rimfire vs .22 Hornet ammo rounds. I have the .17 Hornet and a .223. It is nice, almost silent, and laser accurate at the ranges I use it for, but it just does not have the stopping power to take coyotes reliably. .17 Hornet calibre review. I did a primer test with .17 Hornet yesterday. There have been many other variants of the .17 calibre. The .17 is not as quiet as the Hornet and adds the additional complication of requiring .17 caliber bullets and cleaning rods which are not always easy to find. Friday, December 20, 2019. .17 Rem (top) v .22-250 (bottom) Q: I own a Remington Model 700 in .17 Remington that has been rebarreled with a Maddco barrel 600mm long and shoots groups averaging .25". The 17 Hornet – an economical, fun .17 caliber centerfire cartridge that puts the STING on varmints out to 300 yards! The 20-grain bullet can be pushed to over 4200 fps, and the 25-grain bullet breaks the 4000 fps mark, as well. This little cartridge is small in size and cost, but big in performance. Same C.O.L. out of the rem and the 17 hornet i would pick the rem. The latest of the SAAMI standardized centerfire .17's is the .17 Hornet, designed and introduced by Hornady. It feels even better shooting a projectile at more than twice the weight and twice the speed. Give me some input on both rifles. My averages for each are, WSR, 3672fps, CCI-400, 3676fps and Rem 6 1/2, 3659fps. 3,650 fps muzzle velocity with a 20 gr. Some of the newer CZ's have a pretty rough action from the factory. The 17 Rem is a heck of a little round IF and only IF you reload! I’ve used it for foxes and coyotes here in the northeast, and it’s proven itself on a hot prairie dog town. powered by 17… The .17 Remington Fireball was created in 2007 by Remington Arms Company as a response to the popular wildcat round, the .17 Mach IV.Factory loads drive a 20 grain (1.3 g) bullet around 4,000 ft/s (1,219 m/s). and only 1 load for the 17 Rem. Being able to use good Lapua brass is another plus. Basically just a fun toy for plinking paper. Between the two, I find the .17 Hornet to be the more efficient, affordable and sensible choice. 17 Remington Rifle Cartridge by Nosler Inc. TECHNICAL INFORMATION: Based on a necked down 223 Remington case, it is generally chambered in bolt rifles, but could be used in AR platforms. This short cartridge was initially chambered in Remington’s XP-100 bolt-action single-shot handgun. Remington doesn't even chamber a rifle for the 17 Rem. Fireball VS .17 Remington Just curious about my options. Less fouling, barrel wear, powder and pressure compared to the 17 Rem. Die Hard Member Registered: 03/07/13 Posts: 528 Loc: Freestone county Texas I own both CZ's and Savage's and to me yes the CZ is a much more quality rifle. The new issue of Rifle has a review of the CZ527 for 22 hornet and they mention ed that the 527 can be had in a 222 remington. Last year, on our week long treck, I took a 204 Ruger, two 223's, two 6mm Remingtons, and for the fun of it a 375 H&H AI and and scoped Ruger Super Blackhawk in 44 Mag. If it were me I would make a straight 17 Remington or a 17-204 which is about the same as the 17 Rem for the most part. driving a 55gn bullet at 3200fps sighted-in 50mm high at 100 metres for a 200 metre zero, shows 25mm more drop at 250 than the .17 Hornet but retains 565 ft/lb of energy which gives it over twice as much hitting power as the .17 Hornet at that distance. I'm just looking to build a new coyote rifle and was wondering about the difference between the Tac 17 & the 17 Rem. Why is Remington pushing the 17 Rem. Had I had any idea the 17 Hornet was coming (even if the 17AH is 200 FPS faster) I would have done the 17 Hornet instead. The .17 is not as quiet as the Hornet and adds the additional complication of requiring .17 caliber bullets and cleaning rods which are not always easy to find. It is based on the .223 Remington case necked down to .172 in (4.37 mm), with the shoulder moved back. 17 HMR VS 17 HORNET I like the 17 Hornet it does something crazy like 3600 fps Any input on ether the 17 HMR or the 17 HORNET Thanks….. I have owned two of them. I like the 17 Hornet but do not really call it my coyote gun but would use it if under 100 yds. Is it more accurate? Basically just a fun toy for plinking paper. Log in to see fewer ads Considering each of these for my next rifle purchase. I shoot just about everything suppressed but even unsuppressed the 17 Hornet isn't particularly loud and is MUCH quieter than my 204. Some would mention the .22-250 as the ultimate long range predator gun. V-MAX bullet Same C.O.L. #2808223 - 03/04/15 04:14 PM Re: .17 Hornet vs .17 Remington [Re: TheWolf57] AubreyD. P.S. No matter how you launch one of the 20 or 25-grain bullets, their weight and ballistic coefficient are so low that it makes the effects of wind deflection a definite consideration. The Remington Model 7 used to be available in .17 and it would make a good walking around varmint rifle. The following ammunition cartridge ballistics information and chart can be used to approximately compare .17 WSM Winchester Super Magnum vs .22 Hornet ammo rounds. factory rounds suck! Let’s take a look at the .17 Remington and the .17 Hornet and compare and contrast their attributes. V-max - 5 fox - 4 of the 5 need sewn from large exit holes 1 coyote chest shot at 100 yards spun & run no recovery 204 Ruger 40 gr. yes it uses more powder. Assuming a 200-yard zero for both cartridges, and using a 20-grain bullet for comparative purposes, the .17 Remington will hit about two inches higher at 300 yards than will the .17 Hornet (4.6 inches of drop for the Remington vs. 6.4 inches for the Hornet), yet in the hands of an experienced rifleman, that difference can easily be accounted for. 17 Mach IV vs. the 17 Remington, in RifleMagazine.com. 17 vs .22-250 - posted in Guns, Loads, Optics and Gear for Varmint Hunting: I am buying a new varmint gun to shoot pd's and coyotes. Owning a .17-caliber rifle comes with its own set of challenges (a specialty cleaning rod must be ordered, and it’s very easy to wedge a patch in the bore), but among the centerfire choices, including the .17 Fireball, I like the .17 Hornet. The new issue of Rifle has a review of the CZ527 for 22 hornet and they mention ed that the 527 can be had in a 222 remington. But, within 350 yards or so, the .17 Remington makes a great varmint and predator cartridge, as the frangible bullets make very small holes in a furbearer’s pelt—and usually don’t exit—yet have enough energy and a flat enough trajectory to place shots accurately on woodchucks and prairie dogs, creating that famous red mist. We now had .17 caliber varmint cartridges that could be compared to the .22 Hornet, .22-250 and .220 Swift; three of the four major velocity niches occupied by established centerfire .22 varmint cartridges. In general I'd say there's at least 100 yards difference in consistent performance, maybe more like 150. The Savage Model 25 in .17 Hornet is a lot of fun to shoot. I have both, 17 Hornet and 204, both are CZ 527 Varmint models. I've owned every type of 17,out there I stop reloading when Hornady & Remington came out with loaded rounds.FYI 17/Hornet Ammo is cheaper then 17WSM. The slight five-degree shoulder of the .22 Hornet was radically steepened to a 25-degree shoulder and blown-out to increase case capacity. The .17 Remington is based on the .223 Remington or the .222 Remington Magnum, depending on which account you read, though looking at the design, the .222 Remington Magnum makes more sense to me. Some loss of cases may occur during fireforming, but the 17 Hornet is a good one for single-shot rifle fans and exhibits decent ballistics for its size. powered by 17… The .17 Remington Fireball introduced a few years ago is a somewhat larger edition of the .17 Hornet, but the Fireball is less than trendy. The .17 Remington Fireball introduced a few years ago is a somewhat larger edition of the .17 Hornet, but the Fireball is less than trendy. The muzzle velocities generated by the .17 Hornet run considerably slower than the .17 Remington—3650 fps for the 20-grain load, and 3870 fps for the lighter 15.5-grain NTX load from Hornady—yet the pressures, barrel wear and fouling are also less than those associated with the larger-cased .17 Remington. Trajectory comparable to a traditional 55 gr 223 Rem, but the felt recoil of a 22 WMR. I am having problems with my .17 HMR. My test were between CCI 400, WSR and Remington 6 1/2. I can get about 3850 fps out of my 17 Rem with the 30's and the 4000+ fps barrier would just be just that little extra I'm looking for. Somehow shooting a round the same diameter as the old pellet gun I grew up shooting feels good. Fireball. For smaller sized game, the little 17 Hornet is one of the most fun little guns I own. The bolt face is the same size, but case dimensions are completely different. He created this non-factory (wildcat) offering by simply necking-down the .22 Hornet to .17 caliber and fire-forming the resized cases in his new chamber design. Fireball. Trajectory comparable to a traditional 55 gr 223 Rem, but the felt recoil of a 22 WMR. I'd combine one of the rimfires with a .17 Hornet. Die Hard Member Registered: 03/07/13 Posts: 528 Loc: Freestone county Texas I own both CZ's and Savage's and to me yes the CZ is a much more quality rifle. Privacy Policy   •   Contact Us   •   Warnings   •   FAQs   •  © 2020 National Rifle Association of America, Remington Model 700 American Hunter Rifle Project, Women On Target® Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. 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